Q: I have heard that the Russian's want to prohibit AI because they are afraid that the usage of AI will prevent them to sell stallions.
Q: Will the use of ART in the breed will increase the quality of the breed in the west as well as save it from extinction?
Q: XX has a very limited breeding base, and it seems to me that our best mares have not necessarily been taken to the best stallions for their lines. Indeed we seem to have more stallions than mares at the moment. Genetics sets the blueprint for the horse, and the environment will determine to what extent this is expressed in the mature individual. If we don't have the very best genes in our population to begin with we cannot hope to magically produce an elite horse from average stock by accident. With a small population it is very important that breeders look critically at their stock and don't just breed for the sake of it; or just put their own mare to their own stallion regardless of compatibility and/or the need for genetic diversity in the succeeding generation. It is also vital that all breeding stock should be free of genetic faults and unquestionably pure-bred, otherwise we will dilute the gene-pool before we really get started. A clarification of the breed standard along with a clear grading system is something we desperately need.
Q: How do people in various countries get their horses graded? I assume
everyone waits for a visit by Dr Ryabova or another qualified judge. Here in France there is a proposal for the French Akhal Teke Association to approve stallions. I gather that as far as the Russian stud book is concerned, any male graded first class or elite is eligible to stand as a stallion. I am not sure of how the proposed system would work in France - I assume the horses would have to be inspected by both the Russian and French inspectors!
I heard there was a scheme to set up a panel of authorised judges - any
progress? The present situation is difficult because we have heard that no one from Russia is anticipated in France this year - so no horses will be graded and obviously an ungraded stallion could not be used until he was graded. I would be grateful for any information on the general situation in
Q: In the grading of Teke horses, do they get graded within their line, or all lines mixed together?
So in the same category; mares 2yr old, the champion could be Peren, 2nd
place Arab and so on?
Q: Excuse my ignorance, but I'd like to know more about this rating
system, how are the points given (and where does the system come
from, I assume not from Turkmenistan)?
Q: Excuse my ignorance, I am probably barking up the wrong tree here. I haven't seen blacks who look dun but Sabine Toepfer-Gebert's stallion Gorlik looks black but when bred to a dun mare (Alikly) produces those beautiful blue-eyed pink-lipped white creatures. Two or three years in a row. I understand this means he is not a true black but a dun, is that right? I guess the example you are looking for is the opposite...
Q: I've seen some AT bays with that, and also some chestnuts(look like bay and red duns).
But have you ever seen any blacks that look dun?
Leg barring is usually a pretty good indicator of dun, but I know there are a lot of countershaded/smutty or other horses that mimic dun.
The reason I'm asking about this is because Sponenberg lists "D" as a gene in the breed, along with Ccr....
I also know the hair structure of an AT is different than that of other breeds, and I don't know how accurate viewing the pigment arrangement in the hair would be.
Do you know of any books/websites that have information on tests or research done on ATs?
Q: Unfortunately, breed or color registries are not the best sources for
> definitions of color. For instance, the AQHA (correctly) registers yellow
> horses with black points as buckskins or duns depending on the presence or
> absence of a dorsal stripe. The best information is from geneticists, and
> the most accepted geneticist in horse color is Philip Sponenburg. He has
> written 2 books, the latter and better is Equine Color Genetics.
Q: Does anyone have experience with perlino horses with blue eyes. My concern is this, do they suffer from the sun and run into health problems?
Q: What did Phil require for a genetic dun -- leg stripes? You start to wonder
if "dun" is really a set of genes, and maybe he was implying that they were
one gene short of the classic dun. If you go to the Brindle site, they
compare brindle to "dun factor," and there are varying levels of dun factor
-- some dorsal stripes also branch downward an inch or so (beginning to
resemble a zebra)! Where do you draw the line?
Q: I was wondering which colors are acceptable in Tekes, and if there are any
that exist that cannot be registered? Specifically, does anyone know if
they can be dun, as defined by Sponenburg in Equine Color Genetics, with a
dorsal stripe and maybe leg barring and/or a withers stripe. I am painting
one and I'd love to do him in grullo, but I haven't been able to find out
whether they can be grullo (dun on black).
Q: Do any Tekes ever come with spots (other than a few chestnuts with a
lot of white and a lower belly spot)?
Did they ever have spots of any kind?
Q: The conditions of Akhal-Tekes in Turkmenistan is well-documented by many different sources and I for one am concerned that such a high percentage of the breed is in a situation where feed is scarce, care is sometimes sketchy, and one epidemic of a hard-hitting disease could run rampant.
Q: Most horse people in the western world love fat horses and I have observed in the past that
AT's which everyone could recognize as being an AT on my farm,have muted to
a shape just as a warmblood, since they have a new owner.
Q: Can someone tell me what the winters are like in Turkmenistan, and how much of a winter coat a Teke grows?
Q: Is it true that the Turkmen fed their horses mutton fat and eggs?
Q: How do Tekes compare, say, to the TB horse
and why could they not 'just be left in the field" as I keep reading how
tough the breed is. That sounds contradictive. I have TBs and they get
treated just like any other horse. Mine stay outdoors 24/7 with shelters
against the extreme elements, here mostly hot weather and humidity.
Q: Paikhas - On the web site xx the owner of Paikhas, bred by your stud farm, claims that Paikhas was sold as registered with MAAK but that in fact Paikhas is not registered with MAAK.
Q: Senetir, the first Teke stallion to be imported into the USA
Q: Pelvan - Love Over Gold
Q: Unfortunately, due to the lack of proper record keeping of registration
issues and correspondance between MAAK and its customers (breeders and
owners of Akhal-Tekes) the MAAK officials feel that they have to make
personal attacks on the members that question their way-of-working.
Their comments on my sire Almaz and his origins is very illustrative on how
the paper work of MAAK is managed. Almaz was exported to Sweden in 1991
with papers stating that he was a pure bred Akhal-Teke. He was selected by
me as a sire prospect eventhough it was the first teke I bought I found he
had the qualities of an excellent teke, which in 1997 was acknowledged by
MAAK officials that graded him elite and ranked him as the third best
Akhal-Teke stallion in Europe. MAAK officials have also has graded his two
pure bred daughters as elite.
The pedigree he was officially exported with, prooved to be incorrect,
according to Tatyana, after a check with his blood typing it showed up he
had another pedigree, he was not from Dagestan but Dagestan's full brother
Turali and from another dam.
I do not know how he could have been offically exported with incorrect
pedigree in 1991. In order to obtain an export certificate every horse must
be checked with VNIIK and its officials.
We did buy a part bred, or whatever they are called by MAAK officials,
though, in 1995 we bought the mare Alma from Estonia, being a very good
sport horse type with very good rideability, she was born in Kazakhstan she
came to Sweden with all her official papers stamped by Russian officials.
Her pedigree was also incorrect, she was not a part bred,according to MAAK
officials she was a pure bred, somehow she also had her Russian papers all
wrong. And, she was also graded elite by MAAK officials. I admit that we
where quite happy to suddenly have an elite graded pure bred Akhal-Teke
mare out of a part bred mare. She also has elite graded offspring.
Anyways, I have some comments and questions to the message sent to this
list by MAAK officials;
You claim that you do not demand a bill of sales in order to issue
registration papers as you otherwise issue the papers in the name of the
breeder. How come then, when you "could not understand at all, who is the
real owner of Roshin" did issue and send the papers to the breeder?
The owner stated in the registration papers or passports, EU-passports or
other passports does NOT serve as proof of ownership. On many international
passports this is written very clearly. This is very important to know if
you buy and sell. An idea for MAAK is to write this in its rules and
regulations and also note this clearly on the registration papers in order
to avoid misunderstandings in the future.
Especially, as even the MAAK officials obviously do not always know who
owns the horses they register.
Another question, have you now issued the registration papers of Roshin?
And if so who have you registered as the owner? The international blood
typing certificate for Roshin was given to a MAAK official in 2001, the
year Roshin was born.
Regarding the US buyer that was denied registering of offspring to a
registered pure bred mare she bought in good faith in the US and the MAAK:s
role as pursuer of buyers of stolen goods over the world.
Does this mean that you act on the behalf of all owners of Akhal-Tekes in
the world that claim that their horses somehow got stolen, and that you
then ban all the offspring of such horses from inscription into the closed
If I own an Akhal-Teke and sell it and do not tell the buyer to change the
owner in the MAAK-registration paper I can later claim that the horse in
question was stolen and use the MAAK-registration as proof, and this
registration paper would be considered valid instead of the contract by any
court of law in the world?
The problem here would be as you write in the message yourself, "any
dishonest person could have done forged documents, either in Russia or in
any European country". That is why the contract is the only valid document
of the ownership of the horse and why it is stated very clearly on many
breed registration papers as well as the EU-passports that is it NOT a
proof of ownership.
Jessica Eile Keith
Q: Do you need to present a bill of sales to MAAK in order to get new paperwork for a purebred Teked issued?
Q: I'm frustrated! Need your opinion. We bought in Year 2000 an older
AT-Stallion from Germany. He was bred in Tschagorta. Unfortunately,
Pedigree was not found in the Russian Studbook. So we asked Barbara
Illauer, official MAAK rep. in Europe at Polling for help. She is in contact with MAAK, Tatjana Rjabova.
She asked us for bloodtest. We did an International blood type card. Year by
Year I ask for result. Now, German friends brought us the papers and we got
a bill about U$D 80 for registration in Studbook (is already registered in
book IX, page 305) and U$D 100 for searching parents!!!! We already paid DM
92 for blood type card and CHF 40 for veterinary.
Do you think that I have to pay all this fees? Is it my mistake that he got
years ago wrong papers for export?
Q: Can the breed association's outside Russia wotk together with MAAK?
Q: I would like to become a Maak member. Is anyone going to Russia ? I was told
the best way to do it is for someone take the money and application there...
Q: Right - the golden color of the Teke is outstanding - and I'm thanks to Jessica and Todd, the happy owner of one! If he had turned out to be green-red-violet instead, I would have loved him exactly as much as I do now.
But to make the Teke a 'marketing-object' just because of the color is totally wrong, you should look at the horse instead! If the Teke becomes a 'golden - nice to have thing' - I think that we will loose the origin, people will buy a Teke without the knowledge of anything else, than 'wou - what a color!' Think a little about the Arab, as I see it, he has in many ways, becomed 'a some nice to have in the garden thing' and the origin is lost! Luckely for the Arab, it seems that times are changing a little bit, with their currently succes in endurance....
Let us instead concentrate in showing the Teke as the atlet he is......... and Teke's do come in different colors to!, and maybe, if this is going to be a real 'colorhit', we even could have a blue one ??
Q: Do I need a EU passport for my VNIIK-registered horse in Europe?
Q: Is the Teke man-made or developed from natural selection?
Q: Is the Teke really related to the Yakut?
If we don't hear about them
in top sport events I guess it's because they are either used as breeding
horses, or used for "private" pleasure rides.
Q: Is Gadim a warmblood?
Is he a cross or did he compete in a separate category of the Three-Year-old Test for Swedish Warmbloods ?
Q: Why don't they
compete in endurance? Are they this expensive?
Q: n fact, AT are probably one of the most versatile breeds and maybe part of preserving and developing one type is in fact preserving this versatility, rather than encouraging selection for specific disciplines.. The fact that individual Teke will have an aptitude for certain activities doesn't invalidate the versatility..
On another note though - I looked through a Turkmen book at the weekend which has the photographs of the AT line-founders: and what variation! So my next question to this forum is: when defining standard and type, how do the sire lines fit into this? Do we want to encourage certain recognisable lines? Or are lines there just as a historical genetic material to strive at an improvement through crossing them?
Q: Is breeding Akhal-Tekes to other breeds to produce part breds good or bad for the breed?
Q: Are Tekes used in the Trakhener breed?
Q: How do we maintain the most important trait in the Tekes?
Q: Who defines the type, how do we maintain type?
Q: I think it would be prudent to define the
word "improvement" here. What is it with the Teke that needs improvement?
Are there health concerns that need consideration? Does the temperament
need improvement? One could ask these types of questions about everything.
I think what the objective should be to look at the uses and conditions that
made the breed valuable in the first place, and work/train/breed to maintain
those traits. I think that there are many connotations to the word
Q: What can we consider as a good brood mare? Since I'm
completely unexperienced with Tekes and horses in general, I assumed that,
provided she has good origins, she grows up in fit and healthy conditions
and she's able to breed, it'd be enough!
Q: According to a recently published web site in Australia, the Teke breed is being destroyed in Europe.
Q: Since Peren is the most recent, why wouldn't he be considered a
representative of the Peren line??? Peren was a grandson of Skak as
well. This may be the reason.
Q: Do we know who the best stallions are in this breed?
Q: How old were those "chryptorchids" you saw?
I'm asking because I know at least 5 cases in the west( from different sire
lines) of "chryptorchids" that turned out completely normal, once they were
3, 4 or 5 years old.
Of course there might be more cases as in other breeds, but as you surely
know, the Teke developps very, very late.
I know at least 2 cases of males that got castrated because of this when
they were 1 or 2 but I'm sure they would have turned normal later. I
personally had the case with a young stallion, where a vet professorfrom
University did officilaly send me a letter that I was not allowed to sell
him as a stallion because of this. He was 2 at that time. As he were 4
years old, the second " ball" appeared and he was completely normal,
though unfortunately he is a gelding now.
Q: Stallions per line in different countries per 1996
Q: I don't know much about akhaltheke breeding, But if I
want to breed with XX doesn't he have to be approved for breeding? Can you tell me
a little bit more about this.
Q: World wide sires with gradings from 1997 stallion catalogue
Q: Studbook statisttics for number of breeding animals etc
Q: The Akhal-Teke breed has a closed studbood, what is the difference between a closed and open studbook?
Q: When was the studbook closed?
Q: I take it as a cynic expression when you state that all those horses
registered since 1991 are not inscribed in the GSB. It does not make a
difference whether a book consists of a catalogue kept at the institute, a
series of published registries for every year or a real "book".
As soon as an AT gets its registration number it is inscribed in the GSB.
Q: If a horse is listed in the on-line stud book with their pedigree does this mean they have been registered with MAAK? If the mare is not listed but both her parents are does this mean she will have to be registered before any of her foal's are eligible?
If I am not the owner of a horse, but have the mare on breeding loan, can I register her or does her owner have to do that?
Can the mare and foal be registered at the same time?
How much does registration cost?
Do I need to email Nadja Abramova in Russian in order to obtain MAAK registration application forms?
Q: Notes from the Second Annual North American Akhal-Teke Conference
Q: How in the world is this breeds name pronounced? I have looked
Q: Since they are also horses
with quite strong personalities, horses that mature a bit later than most
warmbloods, it is much easier to take "some" warm-blood horse and start
winning CEIOs or Championships at six of their age than wait for a Teke to
mature and settle down.
Q: Does anyone ride and compete an Akhal Teke Stallion - if so how do you
find him - I am getting conflicting information - many people have said
to me that they are very difficult and can be dangerous - more so than
any other breed. Some say they are great.
Q: Then I showed Tatyjana Riabova in Russia, my progress.Her comment was
"Why are you not riding them?They should be ridden by the time they are
2".If you do not, we have the theory in Russia,that these horses become
more difficult to train and to handle because they are quick to learn
bad habits,as they become larger and stronger-they seem to like rearing
which frightens the average handler/trainer who then becomes severe and
a bad circle can develope.
Q: How many serious trainers are prepared to work with them? Very few
in Russia and probably even fewer in the West. Judges look askance at
the AT conformation and let's face it, AT are not easy to school.
Their intelligence makes them so interesting to own but can be a mixed
blessing where training is concerned. They need light, sensitive and
clever riders, to match their own sensitivity and intelligence if they
are to be persuaded to perform to a convincing standard. I am lucky to
have found one for the time being but it is quite a financial
commitment. Most professional riders wouldn't dream of taking on an AT
to compete with for themselves - too exotic, too fussy, too much of a
"thinking" horse. I know my horse's trainor takes her own Prix
StGeorge-standard German Warmblood a lot more seriously than she does
my AT, although she is achieving good results with him.
Q: Does the body build of the Teke affect the gaits?
Q: Should the Tekes begin training under rider at the age of 1.5 years ?
Q: Are the Tekes late developers?